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Intermittent TCM Operation Creates Diagnostic Puzzle

She said her 1999 Dodge Caravan wasn’t shifting properly and her transmission-range indicator on the dash had a malfunction, and not even the Dodge dealership could find the problem. After performing our Certi-care evaluation, which includes test-driving the vehicle, scanning for service codes and performing a visual inspection, I was unable to find anything wrong. There were no codes, shift points were good, fluid was in good condition and the range indicator was working properly.

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Intermittent TCM Operation Creates Diagnostic Puzzle

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Subject: Erratic range indicator, transmission not shifting properly
Vehicle Application: 1999 Dodge Caravan
Essential Reading: Diagnostician
Author: Scott Richardson

R&R Tech

  • Subject: Erratic range indicator, transmission not shifting properly
  • Vehicle Application: 1999 Dodge Caravan
  • Essential Reading: Diagnostician
  • Author: Scott Richardson

A few weeks ago, Mrs. Miller came in with what she had been told was a transmission concern. She had taken her vehicle to several other places, including the dealer, before bringing it to us. She was very concerned since her aftermarket warranty was only five miles away from running out.

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She said her 1999 Dodge Caravan wasn’t shifting properly and her transmission-range indicator on the dash had a malfunction, and not even the Dodge dealership could find the problem. After performing our Certi-care evaluation, which includes test-driving the vehicle, scanning for service codes and performing a visual inspection, I was unable to find anything wrong. There were no codes, shift points were good, fluid was in good condition and the range indicator was working properly.

Since Mrs. Miller was waiting at this time, I asked whether she could leave it with us for a little while to see if we could duplicate her concern. She was unable to at that moment but set an appointment to bring the Caravan back a couple of days later for us to perform Level-1 Electrical Diagnosis, which is beyond our Certi-care evaluation.

This time when I started the vehicle I noticed that the digital range indicator didn’t circle the park or neutral ranges; all the other ranges were OK. I pulled the van into the shop, and when I shifted the lever from drive to park, the drive range stayed circled for a few seconds, then all the indicators circled. My first thought was that obviously there was a malfunction with the transmission-range sensor (TRS). I took the van for a short road test, and, sure enough, the transmission was in failsafe mode, second gear only.

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Now I was able to verify both the customer’s complaints, but when I pulled the van back into the shop the range indicator started working properly again. I thought it was possible the transmission control module (TCM) would have stored a code, since the transmission went into failsafe mode, but to my surprise no codes were stored.

I tried the rest of the day, off and on between other appointments, to get this intermittent problem to stay consistent long enough to figure it out; unfortunately, I was not able to. Mrs. Miller needed the van back for the weekend because it was the only vehicle she could fit seven children into, and our rental car was already out. So we scheduled another appointment for Monday.

When Mrs. Miller brought the vehicle back to our shop it sat outside long enough to cool off before I was able to look at it again. When I started the van the range indicator was malfunctioning again, so instead of pulling it into the shop I grabbed the scan tool and plugged it in. I wanted to see what range it showed to see whether the malfunction was just the indicator or a problem with the range sensor, but the scan tool had no communication.

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I hooked up the battery/alternator tester, and the electrical and charging systems were both normal. Now I was thinking maybe it was an internal problem with the range sensor, or wiring was shorting to ground between the TRS and the TCM, causing the TCM to power down.

I went to alldata.com and pulled up wiring diagrams for the TRS. Next I resistance-tested all wiring circuits between the TCM and TRS, six circuits to the TCM and one to the powertrain control module (PCM); no problem found. I plugged all the connectors back together, hooked the battery back up and turned the key on to see whether the TCM would power back up, and it did. I cleared the code for having the battery disconnected, then started the vehicle with the scan tool still hooked up. After I started the vehicle the scan tool lost communication with the TCM. The transmission was still in park, and I hadn’t touched the shift lever or stepped on the brake pedal.

So now the TCM was working before I started the van, but after I started it the TCM lost communication or powered down. My next step was to go back to the TCM and check all power and ground circuits; again, no problem found. All grounds read 0.1 ohm or less, so I decided to monitor the power circuits at the TCM: pin 56, battery voltage; pin 11, fused ignition; and pin 8, also fused ignition. What I found was that pins 56 and 11 remained constant regardless of whether the TCM was communicating. Pin 8 was intermittent. If there wasn’t power the TCM powered up; when there was power the TCM didn’t power up.

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In the wiring diagram pin 8 shows ignition, so I assumed it would have power when the key was on and when the engine was running. Next I went to the ignition-switch diagram. According to the schematic, pin 8 goes from the TCM back to 10-amp fuse #10 under the dash (circuit F45), then it goes from fuse #10 back to ignition-switch pin 10 (circuit A41). The schematic shows that this circuit has power only during engine cranking.

At first I thought this had to be a misprint, so I decided to cut the wire at pin 8 about 6 inches from the TCM (so I would have enough room to solder the wire back together later) and go drive the vehicle and see whether the TCM stayed on. I drove the van three times, about 12 miles total, and cycled the ignition key several times before and after each road test with no problems at all.

I was still a little puzzled over the schematic issue of this circuit A41 before the fuse and F45 after the fuse (pin 8) at the TCM turning the computer off when voltage was present. According to the schematic, if voltage is present at pin 10 at the ignition switch after engine start, the ignition switch has an internal short to power. I called several people I know at dealerships and general-repair shops, and no one had seen this problem before.

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Then I called Joe Hurley, who is the diagnostician at our Independence location. Tranny Joe, as we call him, has been with Certified almost 16 years, and every shop in the area calls him for technical advice. After I explained to him what I had found I asked him whether he knew why Chrysler ran voltage to the TCM during engine cranking.

I was shocked when he said, “Yes, I do.” He also said he had run into that same problem some time ago. He said after talking with several Dodge and Chrysler dealership technicians and not being able to get a straight answer from anyone, he finally got hold of a Chrysler electrical engineer, who told him that circuit was used to turn off the TCM during cranking to keep the TCM from setting solenoid codes, I would guess because of the voltage drop during cranking.

Now it all made sense. So if you have an intermittent no-communication issue after starting, or the customer complains of an erratic range indicator and the transmission not shifting, after checking battery and alternator condition and operation, check to see that you have battery voltage at pin 56 and ignition voltage at pin 11 at the TCM. If so, check for ignition voltage after starting at pin 8. If you find voltage there you’ve found the problem: a short to power, most likely a bad ignition switch. You will still need to check the ignition switch unplugged in the run position for continuity between pin 7-C1 battery and pin 10-C1 circuit A41. If you have continuity you have an internally shorted ignition switch; if not it could be a dead TCM.

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After we replaced the bad ignition switch, I test-drove the vehicle and found no more problems. We followed up with Mrs. Miller a few days later, and she could not stop thanking us for doing such a great job and told us she would tell everyone about us.

As my Grandfather Lucas used to say, “If you don’t learn something every day, you’re not paying attention.”

Scott Richardson is the diagnostician at Certified Transmission’s location in Liberty, Mo. He has been with Certified since 2002.

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