What is that Unpleasant Grinding Noise? - Transmission Digest

What is that Unpleasant Grinding Noise?

John Griffin confronts a 5R55E unit with oil-pan bolts wiggling such that the pan is shifted past the mating surface of the block.

What is that Unpleasant Grinding Noise?

R&R Tech

Author: John Griffin
Subject Matter: 2006 Ford Ranger, 5R55E
Issue: Slipping, forward & reverse

R&R Tech

  • Author: John Griffin
  • Subject Matter: 2006 Ford Ranger, 5R55E
  • Issue: Slipping, forward & reverse

The oil pan bolts had enough wiggle room in the bolt holes to shift the pan out of place.

I had a 2006 Ford Ranger towed into our shop with the complaint of the transmission slipping in both forward and reverse ranges. The truck was a 4-wheel drive and equipped with the 4.0 engine and a 5R55E transmission. This was a fleet vehicle with 201,000 miles on the odometer. Upon initial road test and analysis, the transmission did indeed slip in both directions. I observed dark and burnt fluid that signaled internal damage requiring replacement of the transmission.

After receiving authorization from the customer, the transmission was removed from the vehicle. Our shop policy includes instructions and a checklist of associated items to check anytime we remove a transmission. One thing that I started doing several years ago was to remove the flex plate for two reasons: inspect the rear main engine oil seal and inspect the flex plate. When I clean off the surface that mates up to the crankshaft, often times there are signs of stress that will lead to a broken flex plate before it actually occurs. This example was not from this vehicle, but illustrates the point (Figure 1). Our subject vehicle’s flex plate looked good, so the transmission cooler was flushed with a Hot Flush machine and I was ready to install our remanufactured unit into the vehicle. I always use high-temp grease on the converter pilot and the dowel pins when installing a transmission.

The truck had passed the electrical system analysis, so the PCM was updated with the latest calibration using a J2534 device and the FJDS software. Having completed these tasks, I was ready to road test the vehicle. Our normal road test consists of both in-town and highway driving, and everything was working as expected. The truck passed all of our final checks for proper installation. This vehicle was ready to deliver to the customer to be put back in service.

Fast-forward about five weeks and 2,000 miles. I received a call from our customer explaining that the truck now had a grinding noise that sounded like it was coming from the bell housing. I submitted a tow to get the truck back to our shop ASAP to find out what had happened.

When the vehicle arrived at the shop, when attempting to start the truck it emitted a very unpleasant grinding noise. We pushed it into the shop for further inspection. All the bolts were tight, and everything looked like it was supposed to. I then removed the starter for further inspection. When attempting to turn over the engine using a pry bar on the teeth of the flex plate I could see that the flex plate was broken and the transmission would have to be removed for inspection.

After the transmission and flex plate were removed I saw that the entire center was broken out. The converter nuts and flex plate bolts were all tight, nothing was pinched in the bell housing, the dowel pins and the holes in the case were in good shape, so this lead me to suspect some type of alignment issue. I removed the torque converter and sent it to our converter shop to have it checked.

The converter passed inspection, but a remanufactured converter was sent to replace it just to be sure. With no root cause for the breakage yet identified, I had to determine what may have broken the flex plate in such a short amount of time. I ordered a new flex plate and crankshaft spacer due to damage from the broken flex plate. The backing plate between the engine and transmission was inspected for signs of distortion. I broke out the dial indicator to check crankshaft endplay and runout.

The crankshaft endplay spec is between 0.002-0.0126” and was within that spec, as was the runout (Figure 2). Still left without any direct cause identified, I was thinking that maybe the flywheel was just stressed from the 200,000 miles of service, but I had to be sure. I brought out the straight edge and checked the face of the transmission, which mates to the engine. Again, everything checked out good. Next I checked the rear of the engine block that mates to the transmission. As the straight edge was moving down the rear of the engine to the oil pan it stopped; the engine oil pan seemed to be projecting out past the engine block mating surface! (figures 3 and 4)

This was a problem since the transmission also mates to the engine oil pan, but I couldn’t explain why is it hadn’t broken the flex plate prior to the transmission replacement. A phone call to the customer explaining what I found shed some light on the situation. The customer explained to us that a short time after I installed our transmission it went to another repair shop for engine work. The engine had been removed and one of the repairs involved the engine oil pan being removed. At this point I received authorization to remove the oil pan and inspect.

I had found upon removing the oil pan that the oil pan bolts had enough wiggle room in the bolt holes to shift the pan past the mating surface of the block. I installed a new pan gasket with a straight edge at the back of the block to make sure the oil pan was flush. I installed the new adapter and flex plate and proceeded to install the transmission. Once the installation was completed and double checked, the truck was road tested several times and brought back in to check for noises and leaks. The truck was returned to our customer in good working order. It has been five months since the repairs were done on this truck, and no further flex plate problems have arisen. The truck is still in service and is seen occasionally driving by the shop.

You May Also Like

Dealing with the increasingly common pin-fit problem

I want to talk a little bit about a common diagnostic misstep or overlooked problem that is prevalent in the automotive repair industry and seems to be on the rise. Pin-fit or tension can deal us a fit sometimes (pun intended), especially if we do not have the proper tools to determine if this mode

RR-Tech-September-FIG-1-1400

I want to talk a little bit about a common diagnostic misstep or overlooked problem that is prevalent in the automotive repair industry and seems to be on the rise. Pin-fit or tension can deal us a fit sometimes (pun intended), especially if we do not have the proper tools to determine if this mode of failure might be the cause. I have a couple of case studies to share that I have seen recently, and will share some testing protocols that I have used over the years to attempt to correctly diagnose a related issue or a code. 

Watch: Replacing a transmission and components

Dave Hritsko and the team have already removed a full transmission in a previous video. This time, see an in-depth explanation of the parts, components, and steps in how they make the upgrade with a remanufactured transmission along with new aftermarket components with the help of students from Ohio Technical College. Related Articles – Can

Removing-a-Transmission-with-Dave-from-Transtar-1400
Watch: How to remove a transmission

Watch Dave Hritsko from Transtar and team members from Ohio Technical College as they remove an old transmission and replace it with a newly remanufactured transmission. Related Articles – Road to AAPEX season 2, ep. 9: The roads that connect us – Watch: CVT modules and programming – Watch: CVT fluid diagnostics

Back to square one: When a transmission replacement doesn’t fix the problem

The subject of this article is a 2002 Ford Ranger with a 3.0L V6 engine and 5R44E transmission. There were 191,622 miles on the vehicle when it arrived at our shop. The owner said that the transmission was not shifting correctly and the OD lamp was flashing. Related Articles – Ford 8F24 mechanical diode failure

RRfeature-1400
The technician’s duty to the customer

I want to talk about some of the recent trends of particular cars and trucks that we see showing up at repair shops for work to be done. It seems to be a perfect storm of high used car prices, lack of new car inventory, and a bit of economic uncertainty that brings us to

rr-feature-1400

Other Posts

Diving into electrical testing and wiring with the 948TE

We had a 2014 Jeep Cherokee come into our Bellevue, Neb. facility with a transmission that would not shift. This all-wheel drive vehicle was equipped with a 3.2L engine and a 948TE nine-speed transmission. Related Articles – Shift Pointers: A Chrysler 300 no-shift complaint – Shift of the shaft: Diagnosing Chrysler 48RE manual shaft issues

RR-Tech-June-FIG-1-1400
Potential causes of an overheated transmission: It’s not always what you think

If a transmission starts overheating, the root cause must be something to do with the transmission itself, right? Not always. The following are a few examples where the transmission was not to blame. Related Articles – 10L80 and 10R80 pump gear differences – Top 20 Tools and Products: The Winners – Performance supplier listings 2024

Kitting keeps us profitable: Aftermarket kit suppliers listing 2023

The kitting of transmission parts has made profitable shop operation possible. When a kit with 100 parts is necessary, a distributor has already assembled all the important components into the kit and it is typically sitting on the shelf ready to be delivered. Kitting saves time and effort for both the shop and the supplying

A mysterious shudder: Locating a problem with no fault codes

It was a dark stormy night… well, not really; it was just an ordinary Tuesday. Related Articles – Shift Pointers: What to do when the 62TE TRS tab breaks – Diagnosing Ford 10R60, 10R80 and 10R140 series speed sensor issues – Jatco JF613E transmission quick reference material On that ordinary Tuesday, a customer came into our

RRfeature-April-23