Don't Overlook the Basics - Transmission Digest

Don’t Overlook the Basics

Our carry-out customer was working with a 1999 Chevrolet Suburban 4WD equipped with a 4L60-E transmission. Their technician was able to re-create a slip/flare condition on the 2-3 shift. The fluid was full but a little burnt. A quick hookup of the scan tool revealed no codes existing in the system. Pressure gauges were attached for testing and indicated around 75 psi at idle, and 125 psi at the half throttle position.

Don't Overlook the Basics

R&R Tech

Subject: 2-3 slip/flare
Unit: 4L60-E
Vehicle Application: 1999 Chevrolet Suburban 4WD
Essential Reading: Rebuilder, Diagnostician, R & R 
Author: Larry (LJ) Porter

R&R Tech

  • Subject: 2-3 slip/flare
  • Unit: 4L60-E
  • Vehicle Application: 1999 Chevrolet Suburban 4WD
  • Essential Reading: Rebuilder, Diagnostician, R & R
  • Author: Larry (LJ) Porter

Our carry-out customer was working with a 1999 Chevrolet Suburban 4WD equipped with a 4L60-E transmission. Their technician was able to re-create a slip/flare condition on the 2-3 shift. The fluid was full but a little burnt. A quick hookup of the scan tool revealed no codes existing in the system. Pressure gauges were attached for testing and indicated around 75 psi at idle, and 125 psi at the half throttle position.

Watching the parameter identification data (PID) during the road test indicated that the PCM was commanding each shift properly, but the unit was sluggish to respond on the 2-3 shift. There was nothing that would indicate an electrical-control or sensor-input issue, so the shop ordered a remanufactured unit from us and installed it the next day.

Shortly after the installation, our warranty department received a call from the shop with the same complaint as experienced with the original transmission. After receiving the information from the shop about the problem, we decided it would be best to bring this vehicle back to our own shop, because the installer was nearly positive that the issue was inside the unit we built. Things weren’t adding up, and we figured that it would be a disservice to both our customer and his if we simply sent a warranty replacement as he was asking us to do.

Once I gained possession of the vehicle, I road-tested it and found that there was indeed a slip on the 2-3 shift. The installing shop had reported that the shift quality was better since the replacement unit was installed but the slip was still there. A code scan showed no codes, and all pressures were normal. No warning lights were illuminated, either. I decided to take the vehicle on the road to see what the PID might tell me.

Everything on the PID screen appeared normal, with one exception: The 2-3 shift was occurring about five seconds after the PID showed third gear commanded on by the PCM. Since I had no codes to indicate that there was anything I should be concerned about electrically, I decided to check some of the hardware first.

The first thing I did was pull the 2/4-band servo for inspection. This servo applies the band in second gear and releases for third gear, so if it wasn’t releasing properly it could cause a delayed shift or other shift abnormalities. The servo checked out just fine, so I pulled the pan to make sure everything was clean and also to take a look at the solenoids. Visually, everything appeared to be in perfect condition. Not sure about what to do next, I determined that I would have to test the electrical integrity of the solenoids and wiring, as there wasn’t much left to check.

Individual resistance checks of the solenoids proved that they were all within specification. Additionally, all the wiring between the PCM and the main transmission connector showed no opens, shorts or high resistance. I expected these results, because there were no codes indicating any electrical issues. Usually the PCM is quick to flag these items if there is any fault – back to square one.

I re-checked all the chassis and engine grounds, and all the power feeds to the transmission and PCM. There was nothing to indicate a problem in any of these areas. I checked the PCM-calibration revision and found that there was an update available, so in desperation I decided to reflash the PCM to the latest available software. A quick road test afterward was discouraging; the issue was still there.

At this point I was convinced that the issue was somewhere on the vehicle and not inside the transmission. There was something I was missing, but what could it be? I began to think about everything I had learned in my years as a diagnostician and some of the odd things that I could remember about the characteristics of electricity that instructors had taught me in the past. It was then that I remembered something that the books don’t always have you check, and something that the ohmmeter won’t always catch: the ability of a circuit to carry electrical load.

I believed that my focus should be on the solenoid circuits. A crude, yet effective, way I had learned to test the ability of a circuit to carry a load was to use an ordinary 12-volt light bulb wired in series with the circuit being tested. Anything less than full brightness would indicate a potential fault. The only thing that made me skeptical was the fact that both shift solenoids are commanded off in third gear, so a problem in the circuit itself seemed unlikely. I wanted to check the circuits anyway.

A forced ground on each circuit with the PCM disconnected showed a full, bright light on all of them, and that proved that the wiring and solenoids themselves were in fact capable of supporting the proper electrical load. Next, I needed to reconnect the PCM and manually make the shift commands with the scan tool to see whether the PCM drivers also had the ability to carry the load. It was this test that finally revealed a fault that I needed to look at.

Although each of the circuits I tested produced a full, bright light, the test revealed something really odd: When third gear was commanded it took nearly five seconds before the ground for the 2-3 shift solenoid was turned off (as commanded) by the PCM. I also noted that the light “faded” to dark instead of immediately going off. Aha! Somehow the PCM wasn’t releasing the ground immediately when commanded to do so, and this made perfect sense in regard to the delay and slip condition of the unit, since we weren’t releasing second gear in a timely and smooth fashion.

I’m no engineer, so I wasn’t really interested in knowing what was actually happening inside the PCM; I just knew that what it was doing was wrong. I also knew that no input I was aware of could cause this condition, so I ordered a replacement PCM and installed it.

Monitoring the PID again on the final road test showed that the shifts were occurring exactly when commanded, and the 2-3 slip/flare was gone. The truck was now ready to go back to our customer.

Scan tools are great for telling us what the PCM sees for input values, but they can’t always detect or tell us what the outputs are doing. There are many diagnostic tools available for a technician to buy, but they are no substitute for a technician’s ability. In the end, sometimes instinct, common sense and some crude test equipment are all we need to make those pesky diagnostic nightmares disappear and get the vehicle back to a pleased customer.

Larry Porter has been with Certified Transmissions for 20 years. He is the lead diagnostician at Certified’s Maple Street store in Omaha, Neb.

You May Also Like

Dealing with the increasingly common pin-fit problem

I want to talk a little bit about a common diagnostic misstep or overlooked problem that is prevalent in the automotive repair industry and seems to be on the rise. Pin-fit or tension can deal us a fit sometimes (pun intended), especially if we do not have the proper tools to determine if this mode

RR-Tech-September-FIG-1-1400

I want to talk a little bit about a common diagnostic misstep or overlooked problem that is prevalent in the automotive repair industry and seems to be on the rise. Pin-fit or tension can deal us a fit sometimes (pun intended), especially if we do not have the proper tools to determine if this mode of failure might be the cause. I have a couple of case studies to share that I have seen recently, and will share some testing protocols that I have used over the years to attempt to correctly diagnose a related issue or a code. 

Watch: Replacing a transmission and components

Dave Hritsko and the team have already removed a full transmission in a previous video. This time, see an in-depth explanation of the parts, components, and steps in how they make the upgrade with a remanufactured transmission along with new aftermarket components with the help of students from Ohio Technical College. Related Articles – Can

Removing-a-Transmission-with-Dave-from-Transtar-1400
Watch: How to remove a transmission

Watch Dave Hritsko from Transtar and team members from Ohio Technical College as they remove an old transmission and replace it with a newly remanufactured transmission. Related Articles – Road to AAPEX season 2, ep. 9: The roads that connect us – Watch: CVT modules and programming – Watch: CVT fluid diagnostics

Back to square one: When a transmission replacement doesn’t fix the problem

The subject of this article is a 2002 Ford Ranger with a 3.0L V6 engine and 5R44E transmission. There were 191,622 miles on the vehicle when it arrived at our shop. The owner said that the transmission was not shifting correctly and the OD lamp was flashing. Related Articles – Ford 8F35 maintenance tips: Planetary failure

RRfeature-1400
The technician’s duty to the customer

I want to talk about some of the recent trends of particular cars and trucks that we see showing up at repair shops for work to be done. It seems to be a perfect storm of high used car prices, lack of new car inventory, and a bit of economic uncertainty that brings us to

rr-feature-1400

Other Posts

Diving into electrical testing and wiring with the 948TE

We had a 2014 Jeep Cherokee come into our Bellevue, Neb. facility with a transmission that would not shift. This all-wheel drive vehicle was equipped with a 3.2L engine and a 948TE nine-speed transmission. Related Articles – Sometimes, a diagnostic code is all you need – 10L80 and 10R80 pump gear differences – Top 20

RR-Tech-June-FIG-1-1400
Potential causes of an overheated transmission: It’s not always what you think

If a transmission starts overheating, the root cause must be something to do with the transmission itself, right? Not always. The following are a few examples where the transmission was not to blame. Related Articles – Performance supplier listings 2024 – Shift Pointers: What to do when the 62TE TRS tab breaks – Diagnosing Ford

A mysterious shudder: Locating a problem with no fault codes

It was a dark stormy night… well, not really; it was just an ordinary Tuesday. Related Articles – Jatco JF613E transmission quick reference material – Complete the 2024 transmission shop survey for a chance to win a gift card – Think pink: Curtis Price strikes out on his own and has Liberty Transmission and Auto

RRfeature-April-23
TCM trouble and the importance of being certain about parts replacement

It’s a tale as old as time. A vehicle comes in and, despite having been recently repaired by another shop, the vehicle owner’s concern is still present. In the case of this story, the vehicle came from a local shop we work closely with. The truck in question is a 66,000-mile 2006 Chevrolet Silverado 2500

RR-Tech-March-FIG-1-1400